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GOt me there – Raze it is!
shoutBack on 1/7/09 by EranEyal
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I thought he meant ‘raze’ as in burn to the ground? :P Let bydarkos be bydarkos I guess :)
shoutBack on 1/7/09 by Tu
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Haha! Well said Integral – But as I say – you bought the vector and really made it your own – I wear Malicious bear regularly – it’s a hardcore rocker! PS : please don’t send us a hoto of it on your balls – I won’t accept that as a valid submission ;) I brought you in as an example of HOW IT SHOULD have been handled. And you are right – it takes a village to raise a design up to where it belongs or to the ground where it should be built up again the right way.
shoutBack on 1/7/09 by EranEyal
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I shouldnt even been brought in the convo, a paid vector is just that, PAID for, I could put it on my balls for all I care, as long as it sells, and the only reason I told people WHERE I GOT IT FROM is so I don’t worry about people whinning that they saw it somewhere else.. But whatever it takes to get the design outta here It still makes me nervous that your saying: That still should constitute being okay.. Good job on clearing this up SPRINGLEAP. Yay for communities! It takes a village to raise a design.
shoutBack on 30/6/09 by IntegralApparel
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NOT AT ALL – I AM IN ACTUALITY AGREEING WITH YOU – The issue at hand is that I do hink this design is VALID parody, but Blake should have : 1. Been upfront Integral did the right thing : 1. he bought the rights So in hindsight I have to say that we cannot accept this as a valid entry as the rights were not procured an image was traced. I also have to state that Blake should have gotten permission because his artwork is really good here and I do believe this could be parody but being a trace it cannot be acceptable – I think Blake has MORE than enough talent to have drawn his own version and he should have. The other MAJOR POINT here is that Springleap is a not just a place to submit t-shirts and find reward, but it’s also a community that CARES what it’s community thinks by letting them have REAL OWNERSHIP in making decisions. We WANT to discuss matters like this so we give you guys a real say in how this site fleshes out. After all – that is the true essence of what a community is all about. @TU – hahah – you will have to draw your own conclusions as I cannot reveal that outright. I think that it has been fairly well established though ;)
shoutBack on 30/6/09 by EranEyal
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Er, Eran, a commercially bought (and, in other words, also bought with the rights to reuse and rework – am I right, Integral?) vector graphic is completely different to taking someone else’s image and using it (in the graphic sense of “verbatim”) without permission, and not in a derivative way that alludes to the original or makes a statement about the original, which is the only way that would be legally permissable (and then it’s still a muddy area). Glenn Jones’s Darth Vader, as a Threadless example, is his own original work using a recognisable pop-culture figure (not someone else’s original Darth Vader work reused in his work). This Care Bear image is illegal. It is a stolen image. The disclosure issue (while morally reprehensible), is irrelevant. You are scaring me with your stance on this.
shoutBack on 30/6/09 by watman
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One simple, short question: “Is Blake and Darko the same person?” Thanks.
shoutBack on 30/6/09 by Tu
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haha, WOW! what a mass debate! The plot thickens…so many different views… Some like it, most hate it, some say its awesome and some say its a lame rip, Some people condemn it, and some say its justified. Copywritten or Parody? Stay tuned for more overindulgent free reign personal view comments. 4 Pages of Shoutbacks, thats gotta be some kind of a record.
shoutBack on 30/6/09 by Blake
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I will tell you why I think it’s a hard call – Because your design Malicious bear is a re-coloured vector image of a vector from a pack you bought Integral – So I stood by you then when the only thing you added was a splash of paint – granted what you DID RIGHT – was that you totally disclosed that you had bought the vector pack from Adrian and that it was yours commercially to use. BLAKE MESSED UP in one area – he didn’t disclose that it was an image that he took from elsewhere – but this is definitely a parody of the concept surrounding the Care Bears. he has also added (very well I might add) many elements that add huge value to the image including the recolouring itself. What can be said of cool designs with Darth Vader or Han Solo? – Threadless are rife with these… Of the bat I think this an excellently executed concept but the lack of being upfront is what makes it a nono for me. The real issue here is that YOU GUYS had a place to have your say and help influence the decision… because this is a COMMUNITY.
shoutBack on 30/6/09 by EranEyal
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I’m with Integral on this one. You guys should pull this design. Frankly Eran I am disappointing in your stand on this. Your standard response to copying used to be quite decisive, it would be nice to see you go back to that.
shoutBack on 30/6/09 by SilverSabre
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